Spirituality

How Elderpreneur Marva Bush Helps Women Transition From Religiosity to Spiritual Freedom

For many women, the journey toward spiritual identity is paved with questions they were never encouraged to ask. For others, it’s an internal conflict that quietly lingers beneath the surface—an intuitive knowing that something about the religious structure they were raised in doesn’t fully align with what they feel inside. This tension between inherited beliefs and inner truth is where elderpreneur Marva Bush has spent her life’s work over the past decades.

As a guest on the SOB: Style of Business The Podcast, hosted by Keetria, Marva offers an illuminated and deeply personal perspective on the often-misunderstood transition from religiosity to spirituality. Her wisdom is rooted not only in research and teaching but in lived experiences that began when she was just seven years old. Now, after guiding women since the 1960s, she continues to create space for those ready to reclaim their authenticity and spiritual independence.

This feature explores Marva’s story, the intersections of religion and spirituality, and why so many people—especially Black women—are seeking a different kind of connection with God, the universe, and ultimately themselves.


A Childhood Full of Questions

Marva’s spiritual journey didn’t begin in adulthood—it started in the front yard of her childhood home at age seven.

Growing up, she was immersed in multiple religious traditions simultaneously. Her grandmother attended a Methodist church, her aunt was deeply committed to the Kojic denomination, and five days a week she sat in Catholic mass at school. By the age of twelve, after attending three different spiritual environments that each insisted their way was the only truth, Marva began to sense that something didn’t add up.

“All three said their way was the way,” she explains. “But they were all saying the same thing. That’s when I realized something was off.”

This early realization planted the seeds of discernment that would later define her work.

But even earlier, at the age of seven, she had what she describes as her first spiritual encounter—an experience so profound that words could never fully express it. While lying on the grass thinking about eternity (a concept she had recently heard in Bible study), a being appeared and lifted her to a high precipice. With a single gesture, he showed her what eternity looked like.

It wasn’t a vision she could translate into language. Instead, it was something she could only know.

When she ran inside to tell her mother, her mother responded with a simple but pivotal affirmation:

“Marva, I don’t know what you’re talking about. But if you say it happened, I believe you.”

That moment gave Marva the validation she needed to trust her inner world—something many children are never granted. It empowered her to question, observe, and eventually reconcile the contradictions she found in religious doctrine.


The Evolution From Religion to Religiosity

Throughout her early adult years, especially in her thirties, Marva explored Christianity deeply. She became ordained, certified, and baptized, and fully immersed herself in church culture.

But she noticed a concerning pattern—not in religion itself, but in religiosity.

Religiosity, she explains, is the rigid, fear-based, rule-driven version of religion that prioritizes dogma over connection.

“In religiosity, we’re working to be saved to keep from going to hell.
In spirituality, we’ve been to hell already—and we got through it.”

Her concerns weren’t rooted in judgment but in observation. She questioned why doctrines emphasized fear rather than empowerment. Why women—who give birth to life—were written out of divine imagery. Why sermons repeated the same themes without depth or progression. Why church leadership often excluded younger generations.

Most importantly, she questioned the logic of a God who “loves His children,” yet would create them in sin and threaten them with eternal punishment.

“What parent does that? It made no sense to me.”

As the years went on, she also witnessed the growing phenomenon of “church hurt”—stories of judgment, exclusion, hypocrisy, and in some cases, inappropriate behavior from leaders. These wounds pushed many away from structured religion altogether.

And yet, she emphasizes that spirituality isn’t a rebellion; it’s a remembering.


Why So Many Women—Especially Black Women—Are Turning Toward Spirituality

Marva works primarily with Black women who find themselves trapped between loyalty to their religious upbringing and their desire for spiritual freedom.

She observes that many Black women feel an internal disconnect: they sense spiritual truth inside themselves but feel obligated to conform to family and cultural expectations. Religion is often generational; spirituality is personal.

The shift, Marva says, is happening now because more people are choosing authenticity over approval.

“People are saying, ‘I still love you, but this path is for me.’”

This liberation is not about rejecting God, but about finding God within oneself.


Creativity and Spirituality: A Natural Attraction

Marva believes creatives are naturally drawn to spirituality—not because spirituality makes them creative, but because creativity requires openness, intuition, and fluidity. Those same qualities are awakened when someone steps outside the “circle” of strict dogma and begins exploring their own inner landscape.

“When you step outside the circle, you see things you couldn’t see in the circle. You change. You stop fitting.”

Creative individuals—artists, writers, thinkers, visionaries—often feel limited by environments that discourage questioning. Spirituality, however, invites exploration. It fosters imagination, sensitivity, and intuitive understanding, which aligns beautifully with the creative mind.


The Ocean of Spirituality vs. the Pool of Religion

One of Marva’s most powerful analogies explains the difference between religiosity and spirituality:

In religiosity, you’re swimming in a pool with walls. No matter how far you swim, you will eventually touch the sides. There are boundaries, expectations, and rules that keep you contained.

But spirituality?

“Spirituality is the ocean. You jump in—and there are no sides.”

The openness can feel overwhelming at first. Many resist this freedom because it comes with responsibility. In spirituality, you are not being instructed—you are being guided from within. You create your path in partnership with the divine.

This freedom is expansive, but unfamiliar, which is why many people need support navigating it.


Finding the Intersection: Spirituality Hidden Within Religion

Despite the contrast, Marva believes spirituality and religion intersect more than people realize. In fact, spirituality is already embedded within religious texts—especially the Bible—once you know how to see it.

She describes Jesus not as a religious figure, but as a spiritual teacher and metaphysician.

Jesus taught:

  • Universal law

  • Cause and effect

  • The power of intention

  • The creative nature of thought

  • The importance of love, compassion, and consciousness

These are spiritual principles, not religious ones.

One of her most eye-opening statements is that many Christians are not actually following Jesus—they’re following Paul.

“Jesus specifically said not to make him into a god.
We’re not Christians—we’re Paulinians.”

This distinction encourages listeners to examine whom they’re really following and whether their spiritual life reflects their true beliefs or simply tradition.


The Heart of Her Work

Today, Marva helps women navigate the transition from externalized religion to internalized spirituality. She uses Biblical teachings to help them understand spiritual law rather than religious law.

She teaches that:

  • God is not outside of you

  • You are not broken or born in sin

  • You carry divine intelligence within

  • Everything you need is already inside you

This inner-knowing model encourages self-trust, empowerment, and personal responsibility.

“All the God I need is inside me.
All the answers I need are inside me.
The seed is inside me.”

Spirituality, she says, is not about looking outward—it’s about awakening what already exists within.


Conclusion: A Return to the Self

Marva Bush’s journey is not simply a critique of religion—it’s a call to self-awareness. It’s an invitation to explore the deepest aspects of one’s soul without fear. Her story illustrates what’s possible when you trust the validity of your experiences, even when others don’t understand them.

In a world full of noise, distraction, and inherited beliefs, spirituality calls us back to authenticity. Back to intuition. Back to alignment. And back to ourselves.

Through her work, Marva helps women reclaim that power, rewrite their narratives, and step boldly into spiritual freedom—where the ocean is vast, open, and waiting.

Spirituality, Creativity & God-Given Gifts with Apollo Oko

Instant gratification and comparison culture have turned conversations about purpose and creativity into buzzwords and bite-sized manifestation quotes. But every so often, someone shows up with a perspective that cuts deeper—reminding us that creativity isn’t a hobby or a hustle, but a spiritual assignment.

That someone, in this episode of SOB: Style of Business The Podcast, is Apollo Oko—host and owner of Hot or Flop Media, third-generation entrepreneur, real estate and production professional, and a man whose creative lens is shaped by spiritual reverence, discipline, and a profound study of scripture, apocryphal texts, and divine purpose.

What unfolds in this podcast conversation is a rare, rich dialogue—one that winds through entrepreneurship, alignment, divine guidance, fear, and the metaphysical undercurrents that shape our creative lives. It is part testimony, part spiritual exploration, and part wake-up call for anyone sitting on untapped gifts.


“Render Unto Caesar”: Creativity as a Spiritual Assignment

When asked how spirituality influences his work, Apollo doesn’t hesitate—because for him, the question isn’t about influence at all. It’s about identity.

He views creativity as a call from God—a responsibility, a stewardship. Not a pursuit of validation or monetization, but an act of obedience.

He roots this understanding in the biblical Parable of the Talents, a story that sits at the heart of his philosophy. Three servants, each given a different amount. Two multiplied their gifts. One buried his out of fear.

“The biggest lesson,” he explains, “is that God gives you gifts with the expectation that you use them. When you sit on your gift out of fear, when you bury your talent, when you shrink yourself—time runs out. The opportunity can be lost. The talent can be lost.”

In a world conditioned to see creativity as optional, Apollo’s perspective reframes it entirely:

Your talent is not your hobby; your gift is not your pastime. It’s your responsibility.


Fear, Judgment, and the Failure to Move Forward

People with talent who never move on it. People who hesitate. People who procrastinate. People who avoid the spotlight—not because they lack ability, but because they fear being seen.

Fear of judgment.
Fear of failure.
Fear of not being perfect the first time.

Apollo’s stance is clear but compassionate:

“Time is the variable. Eventually, time runs out. If you don’t use your talent while you have time, you lose the opportunity to grow from it.”

For creatives, this becomes a powerful reminder:

Unused gifts don’t stay neutral. They decay. They fade. They atrophy.
Not because you weren’t good enough—but because fear buried what was meant to grow.


The Comparison Trap: Why People Leave Their Lane

In one of the most relatable segments of the conversation, Keetria raises the challenge of staying aligned with your creative lane—especially when social media makes every other lane look more profitable, glamorous, or “easier.”

Apollo’s response is both sharp and honest:

“People jump lanes because your lane looks easy to them. They think they can do it better. They don’t see the passion, discipline, cost, or time behind it. They imitate instead of create.”

The result?

They burn out.
They quit.
They disappear as quickly as they entered.

Because intention matters.
Because chasing trends isn’t the same as following a calling.
Because longevity belongs to the passionate—not the competitive.

“People who do it for passion last longer than people who do it for money or clout,” Apollo says. “Every time.”


Staying Spiritually Aligned in an Ungodly Business World

One of the most insightful parts of the interview is Apollo’s look at spiritual authenticity in business. Whether in production, real estate, or content creation, he describes the challenge as living “godly in an ungodly world of business.”

His honesty is refreshing:

“You go to business dinners. People eat things you consider unclean. They share personal choices you don’t align with spiritually. And you’re constantly navigating how to honor God without compromising the relationships you need to build.”

He breaks down the tension between:

  • Old Testament structure

  • New Testament redemption

  • Modern-day spiritual confusion

  • And humanity’s tendency to misuse grace as a “get out of jail free card”

The conclusion?

Staying aligned requires constant recalibration—choosing God again and again, moment by moment.


Divine Guidance Is Constant, Not Occasional

When asked if he’s ever felt divinely guided in his creative or entrepreneurial journey, Apollo brings a perspective that transcends the typical “aha moment” narrative.

“Life is spirituality,” he says plainly. “There’s no separation. Every breath, every dream, every day you survive—God is guiding you.”

He explains dreaming as a spiritual state—a moment where the spirit separates from the body and connects with realms beyond scientific explanation.

His point isn’t metaphorical.
It’s literal.

Guidance isn’t occasional—it’s constant.
We just fall out of alignment when the world distracts us.

This is one of the deepest takeaways from the interview:
If you’re looking for divine guidance in “big moments,” you’re missing the small ones happening every single day.


Creative Practice as Spiritual Practice

When Keetria asks about creative rituals, Apollo shares that his inspiration comes through scripture, prayer, and especially the apocryphal texts like the Book of Enoch—a text that expands his imagination, spiritual awareness, and creative lens.

Books described as mystical, magical, and celestial don’t just entertain him—they elevate his creative capacity, giving him concepts, imagery, and spiritual frameworks that fuel higher levels of innovation.

This reveals something powerful about his creative process:

Creativity isn’t something he forces.
It’s something he feeds.


Why Spirituality Scares People

A profound moment arrives when Keetra asks why spirituality still feels “taboo” for many—especially when everyone possesses spiritual power and intuition.

Apollo compares society’s spiritual resistance to The Matrix:

“You can take the red pill and awaken to truth, or you can take the blue pill and stay in ignorance. Most people choose sleep.”

He calls out the modern obsession with astrology, zodiac signs, and mystical trends—tools he says many use for entertainment rather than understanding their ancient origins.

His perspective is stark:

“People want the aesthetic of spirituality without the accountability of truth.”


His Audience: A Heartbreak and a Mission

In one of the most vulnerable parts of the interview, Apollo admits his audience often disappoints him—not because they are bad people, but because they’re drawn more to entertainment than spiritual understanding.

His mission is not to abandon them, but to elevate them.

“I tried to pivot my platform to something purely faith-driven. But God showed me that my mission is to make the platform I already have more godly—not start over.”

This is an extraordinary insight for any creator:

Your calling is not always to change your audience.
Sometimes your calling is to change the space you’re already in.


The Life Lesson That Changed Everything

When asked about the most important spiritual lesson he’s learned, Apollo shares one of the most powerful revelations of the entire conversation:

“Sin is not your burden.
Sin is the fallen angels’ burden.
You were taught sin—you didn’t originate it.”

This reframes the concept of redemption entirely. It replaces shame with clarity. It dismantles the idea that humans are “born broken” and instead explains why spiritual guidance, redemption, and awakening matter.

His analogy is unforgettable:

“Sin is like a drug.
You’re the user—but you are not the dealer.”


Words of Encouragement to Every Creative Soul

To anyone afraid to use their gift, waiting for the perfect moment, or stuck in the paralysis of analysis, Apollo leaves them with this:

“Don’t be the person who buries their talent out of fear.
All growth comes from God.
If you allow God to take you where you’re meant to go, you’ll end up farther than you ever could alone.”

He reminds us of faith the size of a mustard seed—a faith powerful enough to move mountains and remove spiritual stagnation.


A Conversation That Demands a Part Two

If this interview reveals anything, it’s that Apollo is a well of spiritual clarity, bold honesty, and creative depth. His perspective challenges the surface-level self-help culture and replaces it with something more ancient, more rooted, and more transformative.

This conversation leaves one clear takeaway:

Your creativity is sacred.
Your gifts are divine.
Your purpose is not random.
And the world is waiting for what God placed inside you.